Tlar & Member Discussion
tlar Abadi is in a hard place. He is trying to maintain order, avoid a civil war and reshape the government by removing the corruption from the system. This weekend we hope to see the fruits of Abadi’s patience as they attempt to complete the change- over of government
JD Blue Barzani visited Iran last week….
A senior Iranian delegation visits Kurdistan region
May 1, 2016 Walter
PM: 03: 16: 01/05/2016 Khandan Khandan – due to high-ranking delegation of the Islamic Republic of Iran to visit next Tuesday, the cities of Sulaymaniyah and Arbil.
An informed source from the Iranian embassy in Baghdad for “Khandan”, said an Iranian delegation headed by senior Iranian ambassador in Baghdad, Hassan Danaii fled, will visit the city of Sulaymaniyah and meet with senior officials of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) and the MDC.
According to the source, the Iranian ambassador will meet during his visit to Sulaimaniya with President Mam Jalal General Coordinator of the Movement for Change Nushirwan Mustafa.
The source noted that the delegation will also visit the city of Arbil and will meet with Massoud Barzani and Nechirvan Barzani, president of the Kurdistan Regional Government.
LINK
JD Blue Kurds are willing to move forward… but NOT with the troublemakers in Parliament – the SoL Bloc
Kurdish blocs: We will not accept the imposition of agendas and we will look to participate in the political process
May 1, 2016 Walter
History of edits:: 5/1/2016 14:30 • 77 visits readable
Kurdish blocs: We will not accept the imposition of agendas and we will look to participate in the political process
{Baghdad: Euphrates News} She Kurdish blocs, for refusing to impose “any agenda by any political party.”
According to a statement of the blocks agency {Euphrates News received} a copy ofit “strongly deplore and condemn the storming of the Iraqi Council ofRepresentatives , which represents power of the people and the attack on theSecond Deputy Chairman of the Board Aram Sheikh Mohammed and a number of Kurdish MPs and MPs from the rest of the parliamentary blocs , ”
noting that “this attack on the headquarters of the elected people ‘s authority confirms the existence of the agendas of partisan and personal encapsulated slogans glamorous and other names, these agendas are trying to impose a particular point of the will. ”
she added , ” We are in the Kurdish blocs can not accept the imposition of any agenda by any political party , “pointing out that” what happened yesterday a security uncontrollable served as a painful blow to the political process and theprestige of the Iraqi state and the breach of security seriously, it is unfortunate that there was no role for government in preventing what happened. ”
She blocs that” if this indicates anything , it indicates the fragility of the government and weaknesses, the security forces did not play any role in the protection of theparliament building and maintaining the integrity of the House of Representatives. ”
She explained , ” We express our strong condemnation of what happened yesterday from attacks and violations of security and chaos, we refused to speak a certain point in the name of the people and make themselves spokesperson of the masses, and we reject that is used for simple people a means to achieve certain political goals. ”
She blocs” and assure everyone that we are in the Kurdish blocs will be ours other situations than what happened yesterday, it is imperative that we today re – consider how our participation as Kurds in the political process as a whole. ”
the demonstrators stormed yesterday , the green Zone and the building of the House of Representatives, while the Baghdad operations command announced a state ofemergency in the capital. the media picked, videos showed demonstrators attacked , “beating” the second Deputy Speaker of Parliament from the Kurdistan Alliance Aram Sheikh Mamed.anthy
http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=115604
JD Blue Things were moving along. Then we saw Sol ( Maliki’s Mafia) create the holdup in Parliament. Then, we saw them over rule the troublemakers and get some of the cabinet names approved with the 180 Quorum. Some. NOT all. The remaining names sem to be the most controversial.
The Kurds are PART of the 180 Quorum. The Kurds, however, are NOT gonna sit back and let the Baghdad Dawa party sneak in the wrong people into those last names. The Kurds stuck to their guns.
They have a valid complaint. WHY did the security forcces stand by and let the parliament building be over run? I don’t pretend to know all of the ins and out. I do not know WHO the Baghdad Shiites are pushing for the final cabinet positions that are so distateful to the Kurds. I am just trying to figure it out.
JD Blue Sadrists saying THE SAME THING THE KURDS are saying.
Not gonna allow this process to be taken over by the politcal blocs.
Urgent Sadrist: Liberal bloc continues to suspend its parliamentary
May 1, 2016 Walter
History of edits:: 5/1/2016 16:23 • 86 visits readable
[Wayne – Baghdad] the political body of the Sadrist movement, said that the Liberal bloc continues to suspend its work until the parliamentary achieve reforms by the will of the people, not parties.
http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=36940
JD Blue It begs tthe question. WHO is it that Abadi and Joubari are nominating that the Kurds and the Sadrists are so adamantly against?
JD Blue And then Maliki sees it as “revenge against his bloc.. he complains that , for example, Zebari, the foreign minister who is a Kurd is not to be replaced. All Maliki ( and his mafia) sees is A Kurd allowed to stay . He does not see that Zebari is efective in his position, and is likely not corrupt, or is willing to stop being part of the corruption. No. Maliki and his kind still see the BLOC and the BLOC alone.
They can only view the changes as revenge… and can not see past Boc affiliation. Maliki likely expects to simply substitute another corrupt Sol Member for any that are dismissed. He calls it “offsets”.
He has no clue about the concept tof the technocrats. He then clouds the issue further, by calling this end of the quota system… a new quota system. It is simply amazing, this deposed leader has not been removed from the process, and is allowed to remain in a position of power as head of SoL, and continue to occupy the palace and the PM’s office. Just me trying to figure this out.
Law: the way the dismissal of some ministers and selection of alternates revenge and far from the equity and the return of quotas
05/01/2016 10:42 Long-Presse / Baghdad Counting State of Law coalition led by Nuri al-Maliki, on Sunday, that the manner of the dismissal of a number of ministers and choose their replacements come about “revenge,” and stressed that the only one who has been replaced by his ministers “without taking his mind”, and as pointed out that the replacement should have been that includes the entire government, counting the dismissal of another and keep the other “unfair and the return of quotas.”
The leader of the coalition, Salah Abdul-Razzaq, said in an interview to the (long-Presse), “The stormy session in which the House of Representatives agreed to the dismissal of the ministers of health, Adila Hammoud, and Labour and Social Affairs, Mohammed Shia ‘Al Sudani, higher education and scientific research, Hussain al-Shahristani, who belong to a coalition of state law, last Tuesday (the 26th of this April 2916), held in the absence of the coalition deputies, “returned to” replace those ministers was about revenge, not on the basis of technocrats, as they say. ”
He said Abdul Razak, that “the replacement of the ministerial cabin who got the whole was not in accordance with the standard of competence or integrity, not to evaluate any minister,” noting that “the change did not include all the blocks, and not on the basis of goods gouge advocated by some people, so that the dismissal of the Minister of Electricity, Qassim al-Fahdawi, because he has had no mass, and replaced him Ala Disher, who is the first minister Sabia. ”
He said the leadership of the coalition headed by Nouri al-Maliki, that “the other blocs, such as the Kurdish and the Sadr movement, announced that their ministries will not be touched unless consent,” stressing that “the Islamic Supreme Council is the one who agreed to replace his ministers after viewing bench him.”
He stressed Abdul Razak, the “coalition of the rule of law is the only one who has been replaced by his ministers without taking his opinion,” pointing out that “it should be changed ministerial cabin, either be offsets other and keep the other it is far from fair and harm the sacked ministers, as It would represent a return to quotas. ” LINK
JD Blue I just dont see how they get past all of this… except one way.
Maliki must be removed from the process somehow. JMHO
mike It’s just my opinion, but political weakness is why Maliki is still allowed to influence the politics. Earlier this week the protesters (mainly from the SoL) were pushed to the side and progress was made on five new ministers. Abadi, Jabouri and Massoum all found a way to cobble together a coalition of 180 or so MP’s to establish a quorum and vote for these new ministers.
Somewhere along the line Abadi allowed these same SoL morons to influence who he submitted for the remaining positions and it all went to shiite again. If Maliki and the SoL are adamant on disrupting the process, remove them from the process.
Over and over Abadi stops weilding the political club that’s been given to him to run this country, he keeps falling back into the old sectarian negotiations that brought Iraq to this point in the first place. Establish a quorum, nominate a candidate for a minister position and let them vote.
If they don’t like him, nominate another candidate and keep voting until a majority of the quorum agree. Committee’s and back room deals to get approval for specific candidates before a vote doesn’t work, over and over we watch that process fail. Hopefully Abadi will grasp and use the democratic process and get Iraq past this point. If he don’t, things could get gravely worse in a short period of time.
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid ” Benjamin Franklin
JD Blue Looks like they have another 6 days to get something specific and concrete done. I doubt Sadr can control the citizens without some specific development to be able to SHOW the people that their movement is getting results. Otherwise…
I reckon the next Friday gonna be just as bad if not worse than the last. These demonstrators, have years of being timid and downtrodden.. a lifetime… first Sadaam, then Maliki. They are for the first time taking baby steps towrd civil disobedience… beyond simply sitting in the square after prayers… and they are learning the power they have.
They are vowing not just a demonstration… but a RETURN TO THE GREEN ZONE.. and EARLY ELECTIONS…
STRONG leadership is called for ACTION is needed…. other wise… the demonstrations gonna turn ugly. Really ugly. I think Friday was just a hint of how ugly it could get. Sadr talking peace and sit-ins aint gonna cut it much longer.
Parliament would do themselves a big favor if they would get this technocrat vcabinet finished like PRONTO. If they wanted to do something else that would be a HUGE statement to the people that “We hear you”.. they should arrest and perp walk some “big heads of corruption” JMHO
Protesters withdraw from the green and declare to return next Friday expanded
May 1, 2016 Walter
History of edits:: 5/1/2016 18:43 • 24 visits readable
{Baghdad: Euphrates News} The demonstrators announced withdrawal from the Green Zone, and confirm to return next Friday..
According to a statement from the organizing committee to protest the agency {Euphrates News} received a copy of it on Sunday, said that ” the vote on a government of technocrats in a single session, and in case of failure to achieve this requirement , we will move to the second phase, which is the dismissal of the three presidencies ,
” noting that “in if you do not achieve this requirement, the third stage is is to call early elections.”
The statement pointed out that” when you do not achieve their demands, the people will take all legitimate means, which are the least of entry for the three presidencies, and civil disobedience, or general strike, in order to allow for the political decision makers , so Nmhlhm to come back to their senses. ”
and the statement that” the masses now and competence and power site announces exit from the green Zone , respected and venerated to visit Imam Musa bin Jaafar {p}, and after the end of the visit , a ceremony will be back stronger, and woe for thieves and corrupt. ”
The statement concluded. ” Dear fans return to us after the end of the visit, and us great pause next Friday. ” Ended h
http://alforatnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=115644
JD Blue Demanding it in a single session.
I reckon Thusday would be too late, IMHO. By then, the citizens are getting whipped up into a frenzy. The 3 presidents have a few days to get specific and concrete if you ask me.
United States: We will remain committed partner of Iraq, according to the Strategic Framework Agreement
May 1, 2016 Walter
[Wayne – Baghdad] confirmed Alammerakh United States, it will remain a committed partner to the government and the Iraqi people at all levels in accordance with the provisions of the strategic framework agreement signed between the two countries.
She said in a statement the US embassy in Baghdad received by all of Iraq [where] a copy of it was “concerned about the demonstrations on Saturday, which occurred inside the campus of the House of Representatives, and led to property damage and violence against certain individuals.”
She added “While we realize the right to engage in peaceful protest, the embassy joins the United Nations and the European Union in urging restraint and respect for the constitutional institutions and the rights of others, and we urge the Iraqi government and all the political leaders and security officials and representatives of civil society to work together to restore security and pay the political and economic reform process forward. ”
She noted that” the organization of Daash terrorist is still determined enemy and continuing to carry out deadly attacks across the country , including Baghdad. ”
the United States urged all parties to work together to defeat Bdaash, and to support the aspirations of the Iraqi people also in laying the foundations for governance and transparent economic stability and establish security. ”
stormed the protesters are angry followers of cleric Moqtada al – Sadr, on Saturday , the parliament building and the halls of parliamentary and stormed the headquarters of the information department and other facilities.
the intrusion minutes after word of the current leader Moqtada al – Sadr and his announcement” i’tikaaf “for two months , a rejection of the principle of quotas in the formation of the new ministry.
a number of MPs , including the second Deputy Speaker of parliament Iaram Sheikh Mohammed and head of the virtue Ammar Tohme beaten in addition to civil servants and Oaalamyin and military personnel charged with the protection of the building by demonstrators.
the face of the Prime Minister Haider al – Abadi prosecute elements that attacked the security forces and members of parliament.
and still demonstrators in the Square celebrations amid the green zone that contains the top – most government institutions.
and met the three presidencies, on Sunday, in the home of President Fuad Masum , to discuss the current situation and the repercussions of the storming of the demonstrators green Zone, and condemned the storming of parliament and promised breach the Constitution calls for the prosecution of the assailants to justice, “
G-Lin IMO there is one thing and one thing only that the future of Iraq hinges on right now. That is the Supreme Court ruling on the position of the V.P.’s. Mahmoun has managed to postpone it three times and that has given Maliki enough time to try to create total distruction of the country.
The U.S., E.U., Abadi, Masum, Jabouri, Sadr or any other individual or Country, are totally helpless as long as Maliki still enjoys immunity. Iraq is a sovereign country. Period. That’s why we still see him in the palace and enjoying all the perks immunity offers.
If the Supreme Court upholds their original ruling Maliki will no longer enjoy immunity and it wouldn’t surprise me to see an arrest warrant issued shortly after. And then Abadi can take action. But he is handcuffed until that occurs.
If Maliki is arrested, his empire will crumble along with his majority of his cohorts. That decision is due around the middle of May I think. It is in the form, I just didn’t take time to retrieve it. If Iraq can hold together long enough for that decision to come down they might make it.
You also have to remember there are 4 or five armies co-mingling in Iraq. If Sadr continues his impatience and his army gets involved we will have a full flown military coup pitting Peshmerga, Ameri, Iraq military, and Sadr’s army in a power move and we can say goodbye to this investment for a while.
The first protestor that is shot could be the beginning. I pray that doesn’t occur. But to say Iraq isn’t on the brink of disaster would be naive. All it takes is one loose cannon to shoot a member of the Parl. and the military will react. And that is exactly what Maliki is working towards. It could possibly be his own men that start firing. He has done it many times before.
We can only pray that the many, and there are many decision makers in Iraq, that love their country and want to see it prosper and grow, can influence and over power the insanity of the radical entities. Just hang on good guys until we can put handcuffs on the bad guys.
JD Blue Yes, all valid points, G-Lin,. I agree, but I dont know if they have untll the middle of May, to be honest.
Sadrists decide to withdraw from the green and call for a vote on the government in a single session
Author: AB Editor: AB 05/01/2016 18:29 Number of Views: 364 Long-Presse / Baghdad
Decided supporters of the Sadrist movement, on Sunday, out of the green “respected and venerated” the region to visit the Imam al-Kazim, and provide an opportunity for policymakers to “return to their senses,” and called for a vote on a government of technocrats in a single session, as threatened dismissal of the three presidencies, and to call for elections early, then break into three presidencies and civil disobedience or a general strike in the event of non-implementation of it, they threatened that the return will be “stronger” after the end of the visit.
The supervisory committee, said the subsidiary of the stream Aba demonstrations in a statement received (range Press), a copy of it, that “the masses now and competence and power site announces exit from the Green Zone, respected and venerated to visit Musa Bin Jaafar peace be upon him, in order to provide an opportunity for political decision-makers, and Amhalam to return to their senses. ”
The statement called, “a vote on a government of technocrats in one sitting,” and threatened “to move to the second phase, which is the dismissal of the three presidencies in the event of failure to achieve that.”
The statement continued, “The masses will move to the third phase, a call for early elections in the absence of verification the second phase,” stressing that “the people will take all lawful means which least the entry of the three presidencies and civil disobedience or a general strike in the absence of verification of those stages.”
It threatened the statement, saying that “the return will be stronger after the end of the visit, decrees, and woe for thieves and corrupt”, stressing said, “O ye masses revocation, return to us after the end of the visit, and we have a great pause in the next Friday.”
The three presidencies and political blocs condemned today, to break into the Green Zone by the demonstrators, on Saturday (April 30, 2016), which took place minutes after the declaration of the cleric, Muqtada al-Sadr, during a press conference, a boycott of all politicians and rejected “Majalsthm”, and decided “intensify” their meetings to reach a “radical reform”,
while threatened Kurdish blocs to reconsider their participation in the political process, after what he described to storm the protesters as “painful blow” to the political process, said State of law coalition leader Nuri al-Maliki to achieve ministerial change “can not be achieved amid the threat and the occupation of the parliament, calling for a “re prestige of the state.”
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danny griffin the only thing that will fix this is for the parliament to convene and put the technocrats in this week. complete the agenda.
get sadr on the same sheet of music as abadi. arest that rag mouth maliki for all his crimes and send a message to maliki’s cronies and all the others on the list of crooks being investigated,
you are next and instead of being in the streets stirring up dissentiion, you better be trying to figure out how you are going to argue why you shouldn’t be prosecuted and watch them start singing and pointing fingers at each other.
they would be so busy pointing fingers trying to save their sorry ass necks, they wouldn’t have time to be out stirring up trouble and maybe the govt. could move forward and they could finally concentrate on getting rid of isis and get on with reconstruction and fire the sorry xx that are holding down seats like our sorrry carreer politicians in this country, like dems and reps and tell the sit in people if you come back to the parliament one more time with a sit in, you will be sitting in jail.
the time to molly caudle these trouble makers is over. like barney fife says, nip it in the bud. the time for pussy futting is over. too many brave men and women have sacrificed bloom and limbs and right now i am talking about americans, to let these idiots keep playing games.
Greg Well it’s a good thing the IMF said By the end of the first half of the year.. Just like they said Iraq would be a donor Nation in 2015. Lol 😉
This Dinar investment is psychologically complex dealing with parallel theories of ambiguity and disjunction…. translation – “It’s all jacked up!” 😀
danny griffin you’re right blue they gotta do it in a single session. i don’t blame the kurds. i think actually baghdad needs the kurds more than the kurds need baghdad, if push come to shove.
if baghdad just wants to keeps playing games the kurds can keep pumping oil and making money and eventually declare independence. if baghdad don’t get it together i wouldn’t blame the kurds.compared the rest of iraq. kurdistan is relatively a normal country.
tlar Abadi is in a hard place. He is trying to maintain order, avoid a civil war and reshape the government by removing the corruption from the system. This weekend we hope to see the fruits of Abadi’s patience as they attempt to complete the change over of government.
If they can do this they need immediately to go after the Judicial branch and clean it up. We all know this is a make or break it opportunity. If they can get the new government installed, the rest will begin to fall into place fairly quickly.
To the corrupt they will see it as a loss of all power and will react in one of two ways. They will either rise up and try to take the government by force or they will evaporate across borders and run.
If there is a trial of Maliki down the road I think it will be a trial in absentia as Maliki like his son, won’t stick around to see it. That is not to say that at some time in the future he won’t be dragged back to Iraq kicking and screaming, but IMO he will run just as his family and son have already done.
It’s at that time that many accused mp’s, block leaders, along with lessor corrupt government officials still in Iraq will be trying to make deals, offering to return monies, turning states evidence, etc in hopes of being pardoned or even exonerated.
Many officials will and should be forgiven because the truth is it was dangerous to go against Maliki while he was in power and many found themselves in a tenuous situation where it was safer for their lives to go along.
The trouble will be separating those folks who were corrupted by intimidation out from the guys who were intimidating and corrupting them. Mutlag is a prime example. Just like Hashemi he too was falsely charged by Maliki under the new terrorism law.
Just like Hashemi his only real crime was he a stated publically that Maliki was attempting to take control of Iraq as it’s next dictator.. Mutlag had his family and roots in Iraq whom he feared for, so he chose to go along to get along.
Maliki allowed him to come back from his exile and remain as VP and all charges were dropped. Where as Hashemi who was defiantly stating he was not a terrorist and refused to knuckle under, was tried under the law in absentia and put under a death sentence.
He had to stay exiled for years under fear of losing his life if he ever returned to Iraq. Once Mutlag made the decision to come back, he was corruptable and he was corrupted. He is guilty for sure because he took money, but his is a case that under the circumstances, most would have done the same.
Many were forced into corruption and Maliki kept files on them just so he could muscle them when he needed to do something or get something done. Blackmail pure and simple.
When the leader of a country and his henchmen are all corrupt, it is easy to understand why sometimes the personal safety of yourself and that of your family would drive you to do things that otherwise you may have never done.
IMO the future of Iraq depends on the government and the judicial system being sharp enough to know the difference and wise enough to understand it and put it into practice.. tlar
Flyboy Well stated, Tlar…nothing will go forward until the justice Dept is overhauled…and I do believe the folks know that as well. They will be back for another helping..very soon…watch and see…jmo
JD Blue In G-lin’s post above..she mentions mid May as a significant date for the judiciary to rule once and for all on the VP’s.
If Abadi can do the ight thing and seat ALL the final technocrats this week… and the Federal Court rules against Maliki.. maybe the moment will finaly be here.
That BAM moment we have all waited for… like Tlar says…. when they all run or turn states evidence.
Crossed fingers… so much of what we need to hapen is ready… we just need to pass that one moment of no return… when Maliki is truly twisting in the wind, and the country is freed from his viselike grip.
