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Zig’s Place Chatroom News Sunday Evening 7-17-22


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Sah    This article is about the political entity in Iraq. For the parts of Kurdistan incorporated into Iraq since 1923, see Iraqi Kurdistan. For the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, see Rojava.


Kurdistan Region   ھەرێمی کوردستان    Herêma Kurdistanê   إقليم كردستان


Autonomous region of Iraq   Flag of {{{official_name}}}    Flag


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Anthem: ئەی ڕەقیب, Ey Reqîb (Kurdish)   (English: “O Enemy”)


2:19   Kurdistan Region in dark red Disputed territories controlled by the Iraqi federal government in light red


Kurdistan Region in dark red


Disputed territories controlled by the Iraqi federal government in light red


Country Iraq  Autonomy founded 19 May 1992[1]   Autonomy recognized 15 October 2005[2]


Capital Erbil (de facto)   Kirkuk[1] (de jure)  36°04′59″N 44°37′47″ECoordinates: 36°04′59″N 44°37′47″E


Official languages Kurdish[1]  Administrative languages  Kurdish (Sorani and Kurmanji)Arabic[1]


Recognized languages[1][4]   ArabicArmenianAssyrianTurkmen[a]


Ethnic groups (2004[1])  Recognized ethnicities:  Kurds Assyrians Chaldeans Arabs Turkmens


Religion   Secular state[5]  Recognized religions:[6]


Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Sabian-Mandeanism,[7] Yarsanism, Yazidism, Zoroastrianism


Demonym(s)   Kurd  Kurdistani


Government Parliamentary autonomous region


  • President Nechirvan Barzani


  • Prime Minister Masrour Barzani


  • Deputy Prime Minister Qubad Talabani


Legislature 111-seat KurdisKurdistan Region (KRI; Kurdish: ھەرێمی کوردستان, romanizedKurdistan Region (KRI; Kurdish: ھەرێمی کوردستان, romanized: Herêma Kurdistanê,[13][14] Arabic: إقليم كردستان[15]) is an autonomous region[16] in Iraq comprising the four Kurdish-majority governorates of Duhok, Erbil, Halabja, and Sulaymaniyah and bordering Iran, Syria, and Turkey.


Sah   The Kurdistan Region encompasses most of Iraqi Kurdistan but excludes the disputed territories of Northern Iraq, contested between the Kurdistan Regional Government and the central Iraqi government in Baghdad since 1992 when autonomy was realized.


The Kurdistan Region Parliament is situated in Erbil, but the constitution of the Kurdistan Region declares the disputed city of Kirkuk to be the capital of the Kurdistan Region. When the Iraqi Army withdrew from most of the disputed areas in mid-2014 because of the ISIL offensive in Northern Iraq, Kurdish Peshmerga entered the areas and held control there until Iraq retook the areas in October 2017.[17]


Throughout the 20th century, Kurds in Iraq oscillated between fighting for autonomy and for independence. Kurds experienced Arabization and genocide at the hands of Ba’athist Iraq.[18] The Iraqi no-fly zones over most of Iraqi Kurdistan after March 1991 gave the Kurds a chance to experiment with self-governance and the autonomous region was de facto established.[19]


The Baghdad government only recognized the autonomy of the Kurdistan Region after the fall of Saddam Hussein, with a new Iraqi constitution in 2005.[20] A non-binding independence referendum was passed in September 2017, to mixed reactions internationally. The Kurdistan Region largely escaped the privations of the last years of Saddam Hussein’s rule and the chaos that followed his ousting in 2003, and built a parliamentary democracy with a growing economy.[21]


Dave   2003…… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_territories_of_Northern_Iraq


Dave   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_territories_of_Northern_Iraq


Sah   Do you thin Iran and Turkey and Syria want their Kurds to all form a separate country and break away. Absolutely not. It will never happen without all four countries fighting their own separate battle with them. They are not going to give up pieces of their oil rich land.


Dave   Palestine comes to mind…….


Dave   Saddam figured he had a claim to Kuwait


Sah   Just like Russia to Ukraine.


Sheila   Zig Still not the big step we are looking for with international rate change.


Dave   Crimera belonged to Russia since Peter the Great….Stalin gave it to Ukraine,,,,,,,Putin got it back ,,,   Was Crimera Stalins to give away????


Sah   If every country went after every piece of land they ever owned to get it back the whole world will be in war with everyone.


Sah   It is not right to go after land that your country owned a hundred years ago.


Sah   Dictators over hundreds of years fought to build their empires from the cost of peoples lives.


Dave   Palestine belonged to the British fer thousands of yrs


Dave   Early struggle for autonomy (1923–1975)


Before Iraq became an independent state in 1923, the Iraqi Kurds had already begun their independence struggle from the British Mandatory Iraq with the Mahmud Barzanji revolts,


Dave   Blame those Brits


Sah   Until Iraq centralizes all sales of oil including Kurdistan’s thru the National Oil company I don’t think we will see the


Sah   Dinar go up in value.


Dave    Saddam drove those Kurds back


Sah   So does Turkey and Syria and Iran.


Dave   Sah Iraq Constitution provided 140 regions to Kurdistan as originally agreed to


Dave   never ratified……Nothing ever ratified in Iraq


Dave   2nd reading never made it to 3rd and passage  the game goes on


Sah   Kurds only passed it in Kurdistan. It is not Iraqi law.


Dave   was supposed to be


Dave   why have art140 hcl……..part of that original constitution  never implemented

Sah   It is not and will never include Kurkuk or Basra. They tried to take the most oil producing place in their own law not in Iraq’s. Federal Court shot them down. Totally illigal.


Dave   so what is in dispute then?   what are disputed territories?


Dave   Basra in dispute…..never knew that?


Sah   The Kurds not handing over the oil is against the law. They are shutting down all their oil contracts. The told countries to not buy their illegal oil that it was against the law. Turkey has been told to stop buying illegal oil from Kurdistan. The next thing will be to shut down the pipe line to Turkey.


Dave   Sah port of ceylon….yes


Sah   When the Iraqi Army withdrew from most of the disputed areas in mid-2014 because of the ISIL offensive in Northern Iraq, Kurdish Peshmerga entered the areas and held control there until Iraq retook the areas in October 2017.[17]


Dave    Turkey does not care…just send us oil…….


Dave    Kurds skim Baghdad withholds….no changes there


Sah   These are disputed areas/ Just because they fought there against ISIS and won does not mean they can take that part and add it to Kurdistan. and a little part of Basra. They are greedy people. Kurdistan keeps the illegal oil money and hardly shares it with the Kurds and leaves most poor.


Sah   Barzani’s line their pockets.


Dave   Disputed territories disputed long before ISIS


Sah   Kurdistan tried to say that Kurkuk used to be their capital of Kurdistan many years ago. Just because years ago they tried to take it, they claim it any way. Kurds are very corrupt. If you make a deal with them eventually they will screw you out of what they want.


Dave   Peshmerga sure did alot of Iraq’s dirty work getting rid of ISIS


Sah   But does that mean they can take part of the country and their oil.


Dave   YEAH and Saddam Gased the Hell out of those Kurds


Sah   When one fights in an army it is for the people not for a gain of oil and land.


Sah   Until Iraq resolves this so all money from oil is coming into one place the Dinar will stay where it is. If it goes up Iraq needs to have control of all money from oil in Iraq.


Dave   Alot of oil in KIRKUK……


Dave   Kurkuk The new Kirkuk Provincial Council started its second turn on 6 March 2005. Its inaugural session was dedicated to the introduction of its new members, followed by an oath ceremony supervised by Judge Thahir Hamza Salman, the Head of Kirkuk Appellate Court.


Kirkuk is located in a disputed area of Iraq that runs from Sinjar on the Syrian border southeast to Khanaqin and Mandali on the Iranian border.[56] Kirkuk has been a disputed territory for around eighty years — Kurds wanted Kirkuk to become part of the Kurdistan Region, which has been opposed by the region’s Arab and Turkmen populations.[57]


The Kurds sought to annex the long disputed territory to the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) through Article 140 of the Iraqi Constitution that was enacted in 2005.[58][57] Under Article 140 the Ba’athist Arabization policy would be reversed: Displaced Kurds who had relocated to areas in the Kurdish autonomous region would return to Kirkuk, while the Arab Shi’a population would be compensated and relocated to areas in the south. After the Ba’athist regimes demographic and redistricting policies were undone a census and referendum would determine whether Kirkuk would be administered by the KRG or Baghdad.[56]


Following the 2010 parliamentary election the Kurds signed the Erbil Agreement and backed Nouri al-Maliki on the condition that Article 140 would be implemented.[55]


Butterfly   Al-Maliki: PMF members are “a whole nation of Jihadists”  2022-07-17 15:57


Shafaq News / The head of the State of Law Coalition, Nouri al-Maliki, said on Sunday that al-Hashd al-Shaabi’s leaders and members are “a whole nation of Jihadists”.


Al-Maliki said in a tweet, “Al-Hashd, its heroes, and commanders, are a nation of free Jihadists and martyrs. They are our big hope.”


“Since day one, I supported it (PMF), and stood against all attempts to target it.”


He added, “Fabrications and falsification will never succeed in ruining my relationship with our armed forces and al-Hashd al-Shaabi, who are the protectors of the homeland, as well as the country’s political process.”


This statement comes a few hours after a series of leaked recordings, attributed to al-Maliki, appeared, in which he allegedly insults influential Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and al-Hashd al-Shaabi (PMF). https://shafaq.com/en/Iraq-News/Al-Maliki-PMF-members-are-a-whole-nation-of-Jihadists


butterfly   Presidential elections: no PUK-KDP agreement yet  2022-07-17 13:02


Shafaq News / The spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) bloc, Karwan Yarwis, revealed today that no agreement has been reached with the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) regarding the Presidential elections.


This statement comes a few hours before the meeting that will bring the heads of parliamentary blocs together, to discuss addressing the current situation in the country.


Yarwis told Shafaq News agency that the PUK has nominated Barham Salih for the position of President of the republic, while the KDP chose Rebar Ahmed, noting that the two sides have not been able to agree on a single presidential candidate yet.


The Coordination Framework (CF) is reconsidering the caretaker Prime Minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi for a second tenure in office amid internal division over Nouri al-Maliki expressing interest in running for the premiership by himself.


“The leaders of the Shiite consortium convened yesterday at the headquarters of Ammar al-Hakim, the head of al-Hekmah movement, to discuss the preparations for the formation of the government,” multiple sources reported to Shafaq News Agency, “it was not plain sailing, however, since Nouri al-Maliki expressed interest in taking over the premiership.”


“The majority of the Framework’s leaders did not approve Al-Maliki’s candidature since there has been an agreement that the PM-designate shall be a second-tier leader,” the source said.


butterfly   “By default, the bloc with the most seats shall name the prime minister. i.e, Hadi al-Ameri’s al-Fatah, with 45 lawmakers under its name, has the right to do so,” the source continued, “so far, the top contenders for the post are former Interior Minister Mohammad al-Ghabban, Minister of Labour Mohammad al-Sudani, and incumbent Mustafa al-Kadhimi.”


“The PM-designate will be selected by a vote in the general assembly of the Coordination Framework that brings together the Coordination Framework forces and their allies,” the sources said.


“The Coordination Framework meetings will continue to be held at al-Hakim’s residence since he decided to bow out of the political scene,” the sources added. https://shafaq.com/en/Iraq-News/Presidential-elections-no-PUK-KDP-agreement-yet


butterfly   Washington expects “OPEC” to increase oil production in the coming weeks


Sunday 17 July 2022 21:38  American Energy Security Adviser Amos Hochstein confirmed that Washington considers that “OPEC” countries can increase oil production, and expects them to take new steps in this direction in the coming weeks.


Hochstein accompanied US President Joe Biden on his tour of the Middle East, which included a visit to Saudi Arabia and participation in the Gulf Cooperation Council summit.


“Based on what I heard on the trip, I’m pretty confident we’ll see a few more steps in the coming weeks,” he said in an interview with CBS.


“There is additional capacity, and there is room to increase production,” he added.


He pointed out that the “OPEC” countries promised earlier to increase oil production in July and August by 50%.


According to him, the US administration also expects to increase domestic production by one million barrels per day by the end of the year.


Hochstein noted that global oil prices began to decline to about $ 100 from $ 120 a barrel.


butterfly   https://www.ninanews.com/Website/News/Details?key=988160


Sah   @ butterfly That should bring gas and oil prices down and our inflated price because of high cost of delivering goods.


Sah    Adviser to the Prime Minister: We have a vision to restore the dollar exchange rate and standardize employee salaries


Economie| 11:09 – 17/07/2022   Baghdad – Mawazine News   , Adviser to the Prime Minister for Economic Affairs, Haitham al-Jubouri, confirmed, on Sunday, his intention to restore the dollar exchange rate and unify the salaries of employees.


Al-Jubouri told the official Al-Sabah newspaper, “We have a vision to restore the dollar exchange rate, standardize employee salaries, and transfer four ministries to a self-financing system. www-mawazin-net.translate.goog/Details.aspx?jimare=199659&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en


butterfly   Sah well now ain’t that sweet

butterfly   @Sah a tidbit for ya, if you want to reply/answer to anyone on here, just click on their username and it appears in the comment section and then just type your response.


butterfly   Saves you from typing their name.


Sah   thanks


Sah   Newspapers follow the latest developments in the political crisis and the upcoming parliament session


Monday 18 July 2022 01:40 | Journalism Baghdad / NINA /- The newspapers issued in Baghdad today, Monday, the eighteenth of July, followed the latest developments in the political crisis, the selection of the presidents of the republic and the ministers, the upcoming parliament session, and other political, economic and security issues.


Al-Zawraa newspaper, which is issued by the Iraqi Journalists Syndicate, followed up on the reasons for not resolving the position of the President of the Republic, and talked about the existence of a split within the coordination framework over the position of the Prime Minister.


The newspaper pointed out that the representative of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, Shirwan Al-Dobardani, said: “The election of the president of the republic was not an obstacle to the tripartite alliance as much as the position of prime minister constituted an obstacle.


Sah    Al-Dobardani added: “After the withdrawal of the Sadrist movement and the decision of the coordination framework to form the government, the Kurdish agreement on a candidate for the presidency is no longer important, and this is clear to the Kurdistan Democratic Party.”


He added, “The delegation of the Kurdistan Democratic Party has been in Baghdad for days, and holds continuous meetings with the coordinating framework and the Sunni parties,” stressing: “There are many problems within the Shiite house and the coordinating framework, as they split into two sides, one of which is with Nuri al-Maliki, who ran for the position of The prime minister, in contrast to a party that opposes al-Maliki’s candidacy, and it is difficult for him to make a decision in the coming days.


Sah   He continued, “The Kurds were not a reason to delay the formation of the government. The Shiite house has to agree on the candidate for prime minister and the government program, and if agreed, the Kurds will not give one hour, and they will say that they are going to Parliament and will vote on their candidates for the position of President of the Republic, and the parties to the framework did so in 2018 also when they voted for Barham Salih.


On the other hand, Al-Zawraa quoted the political analyst Issam Al-Faili saying: “So far, the Kurds have not reached a conclusion due to the insistence of the National Union on the nomination of Barham Salih and they were unable to come out with one candidate, and the Kurdistan Democratic Party does not agree to enter into competition with candidates, and on this Basically, the Iraqi political scene is getting more complex day by day at this stage.


Sah   He added, “The nature of the conflict between two generations, in the first place, the traditional generation and the hawk generation, which sees itself as being the first to form the government, and the new generation that is still looking forward to forming the government, makes it difficult to solve the crisis within a short period.”


As for Al-Zaman newspaper, it followed the upcoming parliament session and its date, noting the invitation of Parliament Speaker Muhammad Al-Halbousi, heads of political blocs, to a meeting today, Monday, to discuss the expected benefits.


The newspaper quoted a member of the State of Law coalition, Wael al-Rikabi: “The coordinating framework will present itself as a more numerous bloc in the upcoming parliament session officially.”


He added: “The candidate for prime minister will be subject to the understandings and agreement of the blocs and the political parties


Sah   He stressed, “Today there will be a meeting of the Speaker of the House of Representatives with the heads of the political blocs in Parliament to determine the date of the next session.”


But a source in the Kurdistan Democratic Party confirmed, according to / time / that the party’s deputies could not attend the next parliament session, without explaining the reasons.


While the newspaper quoted independent MP Hamid Al-Shiblawi as saying: “We as independents will not ally themselves, and this is our decision from the beginning, and it is still our compass towards constructive opposition and support for projects that serve the public interest, and within the law we will oppose all projects that do not serve the public interest, whether at the legislative level or in the Executive government


Sah   He added, “Our goal is clear to end the accumulated failure of previous governments and to start working towards the interests of the marginalized citizen, which is the essence of what we have achieved as independents in the Parliament and as emerging movements.”


In another matter, Al-Sabah newspaper, which is issued by the Iraqi Media Network, followed the entry into force of the Food Security Law.


Al-Sabah said: “Despite the great uproar that has been aroused around it for a long time, and the debates and political bickering have been going on for months, but the entry into force of the Emergency Support Law for Food Security and Development passed silently, silently and calmly two weeks ago.”


Sah    She added, “Despite the immediate implementation of the provisions of the law after its publication in the Official Gazette on July 6, the executive authorities remained silent and did not start yet the practical steps to implement the provisions of the law that were heralded by some parliamentary and governmental bodies.”


The newspaper indicated that it had contacted dozens of executive agencies that benefit from the provisions of the law, but they chose to remain silent and not respond to questions (when and how) these paragraphs would be applied, as if the matter did not concern them from far or near.


A member of the Parliamentary Finance Committee, Jamal Kougar, said in a statement to Al-Sabah: “The ruling on not implementing the law and not actually bringing it into force is incorrect,” explaining that any law that is enacted, especially if it involves a financial component, will have a clear impact upon its implementation. completely


Sah   And he stated: “The law has two timings; Part of it is implemented by the current government, and the other part is being implemented by the next government, and it has allocated seven trillion and 250 billion dinars for its implementation.


Cougar explained: “The first part, of which the current government will disburse its money, will be part of the development of the regions, and it needs projects presented by the governorates, and part of those funds are allocated to install contract holders who need to audit, and to allocate their transactions. This is new, and this requires scrutiny and study of the needs of the ministries and specializations, and therefore everything that was mentioned needs work, effort and time.”/ End




butterfly   Tony Blair Institute: Iraqis More Optimistic for the Future  18th July 2022 A new report from the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change claims that Western perceptions of the Arab world are too often shaped by negative stereotypes and anecdotal evidence used to justify prejudicial views – rather than by reality.


As a result, it says, our understanding of who Arabs are, and what values and aspirations they have, too often misses the mark.


Among the Iraq-related statistics cited in the report:


68 percent of Iraqis do not want to rely on religious or international organisations to be responsible for providing services;


77 percent of Iraqis agreeing that their country’s religious education and practices require reform;


67 percent of Iraqis consider themselves only moderately religious or not religious at all;


78 percent of Iraqis support young people learning technological skills;


64 percent of Iraqis have a favourable view of the US;


76 percent of Iraqis have a favourable view of the UK;


46 per cent of Iraqi respondents agreeing with this statement that their best days are ahead of them, as opposed to only 20 per cent in 2020;


the percentage of Iraqi people who felt that boys’ university education should be prioritised fell from 46 per cent in 2004 to 22 per cent in 2018;


In Iraq’s elections last year, women surpassed the gender quota, making up almost 30 percent of parliamentarians (they won 97 of 329 seats in the Council of Representatives of Iraq);


Click here to view or download the full report. https://institute.global/policy/think-again-inside-modernisation-new-middle-east     (Source: Tony Blair Institute for Global Change)


Sah    So, from my article I posted Kurds are holding back the voting in of the president like they did in 2018 until they know who will be nominated for PM. They do not want Maliki as PM. Maliki’s party does not have as many votes as another party that has the right to nominate someone from their party instead so Kurds are holding back until they know for sure it will not be Malaki.


NORV   Good article tonight on the dinar


NORV   “There is a vision in the exchange rate of the dollar, and restoring confidence and strength to the Iraqi dinar, provided that it is not by a decision, as happened in the decision to raise the exchange rate, but by real economic reforms and an increase in non-oil revenues with a plan that extends from one to four years, and increasing the volume of investments in the country by persuading Iraqi investors who invest their money abroad to return to Iraq through facilities provided to them and encouraging them to invest their money inside the country.”


NORV   There is a vision in the exchange rate of the dollar, and restoring confidence and strength to the Iraqi dinar, provided that it is not by a decision,


NORV   in other words, not some random act.




NORV   but by real economic reforms and an increase in non-oil revenues with a plan that extends from one to four years, and increasing the volume of investments in the country by persuading Iraqi investors who invest their money abroad to return to Iraq through facilities provided to them and encouraging them to invest their money inside the country.”


NORV   In other words, raise the value as a result of economic growth!


NORV   https://alsabaah.iq/67401/%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%B1%D8%A4%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%A8-%D9%88%D8%A5%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%B3%D8%B9%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%81


Sah   @ Norv exactly I agree.


Sah   Optimism about the formation of the new government


Monday 18 July 2022oliticians believe that the formation of the government is very close, despite the problems that dominate the Iraqi political scene regarding coalitions and government formation, at a time when the forces of the coordination framework, through their meetings, set specific criteria for the personality of the next prime minister, which included that the candidate for the post of prime minister be acceptable to the Najaf authority and not Convicted of corruption charges and not covered by the Accountability and Justice Law, and to be loyal to Iraq and its people.


Zainab Al-Moussawi, a member of the House of Representatives from the Al-Sadiqun Parliamentary Bloc, told Al-Sabah: “There is a difference in viewpoints and nothing more within the coordination framework, and there is no dissent between its forces, as discussions are continuing to reach a personality of a prime minister who is trustworthy and not weak to lead the country to to safety.”


She added that “the coordination framework, during its continuous meetings, set fixed criteria for choosing a prime minister to run the country in the next stage, and these criteria stipulated that the candidate for the position of prime minister should be accepted by the Najaf authority, not convicted of corruption charges, not covered by the Accountability and Justice Law, and be loyal to Iraq.” and his people.”


She explained that “the coordinating framework forces will soon announce the name of the candidate for the position of prime minister after the parliament’s vote on the Kurdish parties’ candidate for the presidency of the Iraqi republic.”


Meanwhile, Bahaa Al-Nouri, a spokesman for the State of Law coalition, revealed the participation of all representatives of the Shiite component, including independent representatives, in the session to choose the next prime minister, suggesting that the issue will be resolved within the next 48 hours.


Sah   Al-Nouri said: “The leaders of the coordination framework did not present themselves as candidates for prime minister despite the media statements.”


For her part, the deputy for the coordination framework, Ibtisam Al-Hilali, said: “The meeting of the parliament’s presidency with the heads of political blocs (today, Monday) will discuss the completion of the constitutional entitlement and an agreement to set a new date for holding the presidential election session this week.” link


Sah   The candidate for the post of prime minister be acceptable to the Najaf authority and not Convicted of corruption charges and not covered by the Accountability and Justice Law, and to be loyal to Iraq and its people. This is good news, will have a non corrupt PM. Al-Nouri said: “The leaders of the coordination framework did not present themselves as candidates for prime minister despite the media statements.” There goes Maliki. Their State of Law did not have the most votes so a different group is nominating a PM that does. This is working out nicely.


Sah   Now the Kurds have bragging rights for holding off presidential votes until Maliki was no longer in the running for PM. Hopefully this will go faster now to place a new government. Two steps forward and one step back, two steps forward and one step back and now the leap.




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